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Child poverty and bad parenting a 'middle class New Zealand myth' - researchers video
Child poverty and bad parenting a 'middle class New Zealand myth' - researchers
Research and experts say the commonly held ''blame the parents'' view is a myth and without substantial evidence.
There is no evidence for a link, experts say, but it's not uncommon to hear people discuss society's ills in a parenting context.
Police minister Judith Collins first provoked howls of disagreement from children's advocates, then she said her comments about a "poverty of parental responsibility" were taken out of context.
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So, is there a relationship between bad parenting and child poverty?
Campaigners against child poverty are aghast at a claim
by the Police Minister, Judith Collins, that there's money available for
every New Zealander who needs it.
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* Debunking the myths
* NZ comes under UN scrutiny over its treatment of children
* New Zealand 'expensive for childcare'
It's too simplistic to relate one to the other.
Some parents are bad and their children may end up in dire straits.
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Police minister Judith Collins said her comments about poverty and parenting were taken out of context.
First off, there are all kinds of disagreements about how to measure child poverty, or poverty generally. The number of children in poverty varies depending on the threshold settings.
In New Zealand, the figure is roughly 95,000 children in the worst circumstances of "severe poverty" and around 300,000 below the poverty threshold.
"The short answer is there's just no evidence of a link between parenting and child poverty.
"You will find a small number of people who make bad decisions. That's the tail end and a very small piece of the poverty picture.
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"Income is most fundamental. People don't have enough money alongside
critical issues about housing and housing costs. There's a range of
stuff around health and education. If we are going to be serious about
child poverty, improve incomes, access to health and education.
The Police Minister Judith Collins says her comments
about child poverty have been taken out of context saying bad parenting
not just the preserve of the poor.
"But to the extent there's any kind of parenting dimension, it's very minimal, it's a red herring and a distraction."
Government rhetoric, in New Zealand and overseas, was partly to blame for the myth-making. Historically, before economic reforms of the 1990s, levels of child poverty in New Zealand were much lower.
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Blaming bad parenting for child poverty is a myth, the research says.
But this does not mean Kiwi parenting was worse.
Housing pressures - increases in rents, house prices and costs - had hit parents' pockets.
"It's easy to point the finger," O'Brien said.
"In some ways at the risk of being simplistic it's easier to blame parents rather than doing something about the social and economic setting.
"Forty per cent of children in poverty are in households in paid work. Are we saying there's a large chunk of parents who are working who are inadequate? That's hard to sustain. This is not about behaviour. It's about access to resources, the way we distribute opportunity.
"Families struggle to make ends meet. The margins are slim.
"Let's not just be persuaded by the story over the bar or down the club but let's really stand back. There has to be something more than just bad parents. Something fundamental in the way we organise ourselves. If we were in the same circumstances, how would we live our lives?"
An action group spokeswoman said Collins' comments, even if her words were out of context, chimed with some people.
"Probably there's a lot of middle class New Zealand that doesn't see poverty. They are blind-sided by not being able to see or understand. It's steeped in racism as well."
The Morgan Foundation researcher Dr Jess Berenton-Shaw has said the "bad, undeserving parent myth" causes trouble because people want to help children, not their families.
It was far easier and lazier to play the blame game.
"We talk about providing minimum standards for children in housing, yet families in poverty are not able to find, access or afford decent accommodation for their children."
In response to Collins' comments, Berenton-Shaw said there were elements of truth in what the minister said but "when someone steps up with a smattering of some complex truths scattered amongst the mythology it gets traction."
Research is beginning to filter through into the public domain about the power of early-life experiences, the environment, and the availability of resources to shape lives. In other words, those early years are so crucial it's difficult to undo their effects.
One of the real problems in low-income families is stress and research in the United Kingdom showed extra cash provided for child welfare was spent on children. Berenton-Shaw also said there was no evidence state care of around 5000 of the most deprived children was better than their family environment.
"She is not crushing the PC brigade, she is just wrong, wrong on what the evidence says and wrong about what New Zealanders value."
To complicate matters there is no such thing as a perfect measure of poverty. Calling it child poverty also doesn't help when it's really "family poverty" and unconsciously separates children from parents.
Friday, October 14, 2016
In 1997 I was groomed for a position on Wall St. thanks to a family connection.
In 1997 I was groomed for a position on Wall St. thanks to a family
connection. I never made it to that first day, instead sitting in my
suit writing a post card to my brother, I became aware of something that
I still do today. That is this business of holding a position, with
and in my mind.
This holding together of a perspective I have of what is going on around me and my desire to share that perspective has taken all my time and energy. This use to be a kind of disappointing surprise, as it wasn’t a job, or a career or anything tangible like that. But I see it now and value it more than ever.
I am the unemployed artist. Critiquing the employed artists. Openly attempting to negotiate his own contract into employment. Watch me.
This holding together of a perspective I have of what is going on around me and my desire to share that perspective has taken all my time and energy. This use to be a kind of disappointing surprise, as it wasn’t a job, or a career or anything tangible like that. But I see it now and value it more than ever.
I am the unemployed artist. Critiquing the employed artists. Openly attempting to negotiate his own contract into employment. Watch me.
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Thursday, October 13, 2016
Unemployed New Zealander on Welfare in Melbourne, with $500 Arts Grant - Workshop with Tao Wells,
Melbourne, I'm doing a 'workshop' for the first 6 people that book a
place, Friday 21st. October, 2016, 10am at the Queen Victoria Market. Thanks to the Sanné Mestrom and Jamie Hall and the rate payers of Melbourne. There are ten other workshops with other people check it out: The Mechanics Institute: Trade School.
"... employment rates are higher in countries with generous welfare states, more people will have positive experience of work.
People who receive generous benefits when out of work may feel more inclined to give something back to the state by striving hard to find work."
- Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-03-welfare-benefits-people.html
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"... employment rates are higher in countries with generous welfare states, more people will have positive experience of work.
People who receive generous benefits when out of work may feel more inclined to give something back to the state by striving hard to find work."
- Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-03-welfare-benefits-people.html
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Monday, October 10, 2016
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Monday, October 3, 2016
Warning shot fired by lefty Arts Academic, University of Auckland I think, silences unemployed critic
Great news! With this announcement the value of the Shannon Te Ao work I purchased at the fundraiser auction for political prisoners Tame Iti and Rangi Kemara in 2012 has gone through the roof! Just kidding, it has welcomed many guests into our whare and we'll never part with it. But Shannon's contribution to that event throws into relief a larger issue: all of the finalists were deserving and the process of the decision is aesthetically miserable. The mode of the art prize has always been wrong, but it seems particularly worn out and dilapidated now that artists like those in the show are quick to note the communities involved in the production of their work, often including each other. I welcome the Walters' attention from international curators/critics/judges to Aotearoa-based work; I welcome the opportunities for artists to financially survive and thrive and get access to new opportunities; I welcome the focussing of domestic attention on the value of the artistic production taking place, but I can't help but feel it's time for an alternative format that better reflects the values of most artists working today, who don't calculate worth on an expert whim, but with a much greater sense of accountability to the broader community. In any case, congratulations Shannon and to all the artists. xx
Wells Tao Danny Butt, agreed, art prize money use to go also to people who didn't have jobs already in the industry. If the papers headline was "Massey Lecturer and artist wins Walters Prize" instead of just "artist', to see our democratic institutions fighting against, for example Te Ao Protest against " Transfield who also ran the offshore detention centres that house asylum seekers in Nauru and Manus" at some Biennale recently ", We would all win then. But you and your kind (university employees) have stayed silent on that issue.
Danny Butt I'm
not sure what your point is Tao but I wrote and presented about about
the Transfield/Biennale situation at length and Shannon was a signatory
to the open letter from artists to the Board. I'm fine for substantive
critique but any further unsubstantiated attacks will be a block. Cheers
Wells Tao not sure why you'd think that was an attack, just an observation. I'm sorry you don't get my point. I'll just leave it then.
The Guy ( Shannon Te Ao, who I've met several times, been to his house for tea and like and respect) is paid (I think, I don't know for sure, I heard he had a job a Massey I don't know his individual contract) 5 figures to be an artist ( again speculative, I do know that he was and may still be a land lord, that he owned a house with his partner in Nelson, very rich rent area, good for him), you'd think it would be kind of him to acknowledge his sponsor when he's out being an artist, not to mention that I'm contending that under the education act of NZ, 1989, to not do so is illegal.
- Tertiary Union did a conference on it two years ago, Massey did a three day conference on it this year.
I've been promoting the issue routinely like a broken record, over the four year on my Blog and Wells Group Facebook page, that you subscribe to with your like. You don't like? ( I have no idea if Danny Butt likes or not, but what a fantastic name!) What's not to like?
Sunday, October 2, 2016
Working in the mines of capitalism, free to do what I want, wonder what that looks like?
I
don't want to be a capitalist, I don't agree with capitalism, but I am
sick of pretending that I am not one when I am. That is the name of the
economic system we are in, we are dominated by. Maybe you know of
someone who isn't a capitalist artist, great I'd love them to share
their secret so we can see it, do it to. Other wise, COME ON. What we
contribute to in our confusion is more layers of obfuscation for our
most hated, most invisible, most un-diagnosed, capitalism. And yes, in
my mind artists are the Worst, because we make the images of hope and
leadership, and we don't even know, cant even say where we are!
Jeremy Carver there are many artists who are not capitalist.
Jeremy Carver come have a look a the cave paintings here in ozi
Jeremy Carver Wells Tao to me that was the end of your argument
Wells Tao Jeremy Carver good you can go.
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Paul Gilbert So I went to Cuba, and saw their art from the pre-revolutionary and revolutionary era. And the art from before the revolution, you had to say was dictatorship/casino capitalist because it was borne out of the conditions of that era, and it was far more vivid and powerful and affecting than the post revolution, because they had "won" and not been yet shaped by the changes that had come.
In short, I say embrace your inner capitalist. But you can be a discontent capitalist, versus content. I think that's almost a legitimate binary. You must tend one way. And discontent makes better.. everything.
My obsolete 2c coin.
In short, I say embrace your inner capitalist. But you can be a discontent capitalist, versus content. I think that's almost a legitimate binary. You must tend one way. And discontent makes better.. everything.
My obsolete 2c coin.
Jason Brown A viable option for any capitalist is to use their profit for social justice e.g. Artists Against Corruption UK. Thus, the artist may profit and stay alive from the only people you can get fat profit from - fat cats - using their art to expose, and their art dollar to help mobilise others.
Wells Tao Jason Brown spoke straight from the big book of capitalism. Thanks for that, no shit.
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Jody Branson capitalism is another word for survival
Jeremy Carver heard a anti capitalist defend scabs on the grounds that they have to feed their families. Not joking.
Jody Branson Wells Tao - it's my way or the highway, make something we want to buy, or you're out in the pig trough
Wells Tao Jeremy Carver that sound scab like to me, where does that leave you?
Jeremy Carver do nott understand
Wells Tao Jody Branson well, yes, but then... there's so much left over in the pig trough, it's like maybe I'm kept fat so I don't eat the farmer
Wells Tao Jeremy Carver I imagined you were calling me a scab, no?
Jeremy Carver nope
Jeremy Carver but u defended scabs
Paul Gilbert Wells Tao you need a commune. I'm all in for being the shaman/faithhealer/primaryteacher if you find one
Jody Branson the longer you are waiting for scraps in the pig trough, the more likely you will become the food for other starving artists.
Wells Tao Paul Gilbert nothing wrong with that, right time right place, right people, it can happen, seen it, maybe one day... at the moment I feel that I've found some good people, I am happy
Paul Gilbert Wells Tao all we can do :/
Wells Tao Jody Branson yes brutha, nothing like poverty to insist that you eat your friends
Wells Tao Jeremy Carver I defend scabs, well yeah I do, I think calling someone a scab doesn't work. You just divide an already divided work force into 'them or us', in a way that 'they' can't be seen working for us... seems short sighted to me. But I admit that this area of industrial negotiations has a great deal of practice and history that I am only aware of skimming.
Richard West Most artists are probably amatuers and don't create in order to sell. They do it for their own pleasure. They're not at risk of selling out. However if an artist who wants to make money to live off their skill well so long as they maintain their own aesthetic integrity and the market wishes to acquire it then they haven't sold out. Do any artists complete a painting with the thought "Man, someone's gonna love this?"
Jeremy Carver the bosses want workers labour as cheap as they can get it. Unions have fought hard for every single condition they have wrestled from the greedy bosses. Scabs r fkn filth and have sold out their own class. There is no way that a revolutionary can defend these fkn fools.
Wells Tao Richard West they exist in capitalism, they perpetuate to the bottom line of a capitalist society, regardless of intention. Prove they don't.
Wells Tao Jeremy Carver well we have different ideas. About where the path of revolution lies I think.
Richard West Any one under any system in any era, post the cave paintings (eg in France), could paint a picture of cat with it having fuck all to do with capitalism.
Wells Tao Richard West so where does their money come from?
Wells Tao Richard West these people live beyond money?
Richard West They bartered for the materials with produce they had grown.
Jody Branson Wells Tao "Jody Branson yes brutha, nothing like poverty to insist that you eat your friends"
or steal their ideas in hopes of a capitalist outcome
or steal their ideas in hopes of a capitalist outcome
Wells Tao Jody Branson always, and artist has been licensed to steal under Picaso, who was a secret communist, he wanted us to share our stealing... did he? nope, he got paid...
Richard West In this case the exceptions destroy the rule because art can exist without any influence of capitalism, The cave paintings are a good example of this. However it does look like commerce has been an incentive for people to get busy. Though is preindustrial art from say Africa driven by the profit motive?
Wells Tao Richard West my man, you are in my humble opinion scratching so far out of the bottom of the barrel i do believe you may have left the argument all together.
Jody Branson cave paintings were a capitalist venture - they were painting how many cows they had for sale
Wells Tao Richard West which is to say I am not arguing that art can not in any way exist with out capitalism, I'm saying where is it NOW
Jody Branson cave paintings were the 'craigslist' of ye olde times
Wells Tao Jody Branson well I do think it raises the impt. point of when does early forms of capitalism turn into full blown contemporary capitalism.. but again that is another argument.
Jeremy Carver leonardo davinci
Steve McCabe play something we all know, bro
Steve McCabe bring back patrons
Richard West If you believe capitalism has soaked into every one of your neurons and your soul and that you can never be free of capitalism's influence over your art then your art will never have a non capitalism innocence. You are a spirit in a material world. Suc...See More
Jason Brown I'd love to share your faith in union efforts, but if the current set of worker statistics is any indication, they're doing a fairly s... job.
Jane Kelsey has described union actions as being those of "fellow travellers" of the neoliberal system....See More
Jane Kelsey has described union actions as being those of "fellow travellers" of the neoliberal system....See More
Jeremy Carver Jason Brown so its ok to scab?
Jason Brown > Jeremy > He'll no, I just think we should be chanting "scab!" at John Key and his class, not the poor, desperate and ignorant in our own.
Jeremy Carver wells tao supports scabbing
Jason Brown No he doesn't, he feels uncomfortable blaming the victim, is my guess, reading his mind through the Auckland mist tonight - he must have left his tinfoil off again ;)
Attack the disease, not the symptom. Otherwise you're just helping fat cats keep worker rats weak and divided....See More
Attack the disease, not the symptom. Otherwise you're just helping fat cats keep worker rats weak and divided....See More
Jeremy Carver scabs a scab and those that have fought and do fight for workers rights and revolution deplore scabbing.
Jason Brown You keep on dividing and conquering, Jeremy, the colonialists love your work.
Jeremy Carver Jason Brown holy shit. I have sat on picket lines that scabs have crossed. Now u say I divide and conquer? What r u on? It is the scabs that do the things u accuse me of.
Jason Brown For the thousand attacking the branches, there is but one hacking at the root, bro
Jeremy Carver wtf?
Jeremy Carver Jason Brown u going to break out into a rant about the sweet beautiful love of jesus?
Jason Brown Yeah, nah, I'm sayin aim higher, and stop acting as a tool, witting or unwitting, of the ruling classes.
Jeremy Carver Jason Brown how the fuck am I working for the fkn man
Jason Brown Pickering poor people, that's how. For more info, see above comments.
Jeremy Carver Jason Brown dude I have no idea what u mean by pickering poor people
Jason Brown Put it this way, I don't think you're gonna see John Key trying to cross your picket line anytime soon, or any other rich lister, from anywhere, for that matter.
Picket the big dudes, not the little dudes. Class warfare in other words, but against fat cats, not skinny rats.
My goodness, is that the time? Enough popcorn, time for beddy byes. Sleep well all and remember - solidarity! Smash US imperialism!!
Picket the big dudes, not the little dudes. Class warfare in other words, but against fat cats, not skinny rats.
My goodness, is that the time? Enough popcorn, time for beddy byes. Sleep well all and remember - solidarity! Smash US imperialism!!
Jeremy Carver the picket line moron was at a factory owned not by poor guys
Jason Brown Jeremy Carver > name calling, how original. And you know exactly what I'm talking about, you're just pretending to be obtuse.
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Richard B. Keys Regarding art and capitalism... "the trick" it seems to me, is not in the content, but about trying to create new platforms, contexts, and modes of exchange, that exceed capitalisms apparatus of value capture.
Jeremy Carver u might be struggling with the term capitalist
Wells Tao Jeremy Carver yes given that capitalism is the master at capturing value
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Richard B. Keys It seems worth noting that I think, capitalism is not-equivocal with the plane of immanence per se, but rather intersects with it in order to capture value. Which also means that certain exchanges escape capture, or produce excesses that arn't entirely recuperated.
Richard B. Keys This follows from the logic that "life" on some level is inherently productive or generative, to which capitalisms relationship is "parasitic." Characterised most explicitly by capitalisms relationship to "nature" via resource extraction, or its relationship to "the commons" and "intellectual property".
Richard B. Keys Wells Tao I would say you have at points succeeded in making non-capitalist art! haha... which is apparently according to their talk the dream of most artists today.
Wells Tao Richard B. Keys of course I would agree with you, and most of this effort is just an attempt to clarify this point to the market place so that I can stand out from my competition as I try to figure out what being a self employed socialist is/ does (as ...See More
Richard B. Keys Yeah, tell me abut it, I have foot fungus.
Personally I actually think that capitalism will produce another order, or regime beyond itself. In the sense that as feudalism beget capitalism, it will produce another order ... millions may or may not die.
Personally I actually think that capitalism will produce another order, or regime beyond itself. In the sense that as feudalism beget capitalism, it will produce another order ... millions may or may not die.
Wells Tao Richard B. Keys I think we may be seeing this in the new hyper wealth invisible markets where 'our wealth' has gone to play fantasy games for the 1% no?
Richard B. Keys I also think that capitalism can be productive, in the sense that it has a "bootstrapping" effect on living labour, by "organising it," and opening up new sets of exchange relations etc.
Richard B. Keys I not so sure, finance strikes me as a mis representation of value, when it is really speculative negotiation of risk. So whilst it is not entirely non-productive or purely virtual, it also doesn't produce value in the traditional sense.
Wells Tao Richard B. Keys whoa, thanks for that, I feel like you just gave me a delicious ripe fruit
Richard B. Keys Yeah, it strikes me that "marxist" readings of capitalism have limitations in that they tend to totally de-emphasise exchange relations in terms of the production of value.
Which as any anthropologist will tell you is totally intrinsic to value production in "pre-capitalist" societies.
Which as any anthropologist will tell you is totally intrinsic to value production in "pre-capitalist" societies.
Wells Tao Richard B. Keys BOOYA!
Richard B. Keys Yeah I mean qua Marx it is all to do with his basic model of the production of value, and the privileging of the notion of use value.
Although in a popular sense this seems to find expression as a skepticism to finance etc as irreal due to its instab...See More
Although in a popular sense this seems to find expression as a skepticism to finance etc as irreal due to its instab...See More
Richard B. Keys And yeah as you mention as the modes of production have become more deterrotorialsed so have class formations.
This observation saw me called out as a class apologist when I phrased it a slightly different way.
This observation saw me called out as a class apologist when I phrased it a slightly different way.
Wells Tao Richard B. Keys as i read that it is litteraly like the abstract fuzz of mysticiam descends over my ability to rationalise and I litteraly throw dust in the air and pray to the gods
Wells Tao Richard B. Keys "class apologist' that's rough
Richard B. Keys Haha...
I mean this is pretty apparent though right, labour used to be organised by the factory. Now it is more distributed in both space and time, and augmented by a machinic apparatus of value capture - digital and network technologies etc. That was...See More
I mean this is pretty apparent though right, labour used to be organised by the factory. Now it is more distributed in both space and time, and augmented by a machinic apparatus of value capture - digital and network technologies etc. That was...See More
Richard B. Keys But yeah ... the Post-Operasimo's attempts to posit a new revolutionary subjectivity given these conditions, seem to have been pretty rudimentary... i.e Negri and Hardt's "Multitude" (a sort of Spinozian social multiplicity) replacing the worker.
Alan Francais Stuart You never give me your money
You only give me your funny paper
And in the middle of negotiations...See More
You only give me your funny paper
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Alan Francais Stuart John and Paul were pre-cogs.
Alan Francais Stuart Maybe Rambo and Rimbeau are the same person.
Alan Francais Stuart The Ad Agency that does the copy for Capitalism Inc would like you to be happy. They know where all the ways-in are, aye.
Alan Francais Stuart 'No need to know' makes a nice couplet with 'nowhere to go'.
Wells Tao Alan Francais Stuart good spot... subliminal teaching s of John and Paul
Alan Francais Stuart Their blue collars being more unconcious than Springsteen's.
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Jason Secto I'm open to contra for my work ....good wine ...organic food ...clothing. ..rent ...fuck the system where you can ...create your own ...there's no way I think about how much this work is worth in monetary value while I'm working on it. .but we have to live
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Michael Gresham Coo. You go Wells Tao!! You go!!
Michael Gibson You are correct, Wells Tao: capitalism is the form in which we live our lives. An interesting question, which I think is worth pursuing aesthetically, is whether anything of substance can survive independently of capitalist form. One possible line of enquiry is whether we recognise anything of value other than money. I think resolution of this problem is essential but our species has either answered in the negative or has run out of time to identify an alternative.
Beenjamin Parsons what has art got to do with money? remember the 8-fold path... right view, intention, speech, action, LIVELIHOOD , effort, mindfulness, concentration. Now livelihood means what? HOW we live and the style of our living. I would say, 'get a trade', if you want to be part of the bourgeoisie. Let your art just be your art, it will never fulfill the role of Right Livelihood. but I could be wrong
Murdoch Stephens i think you'd really like this book from two feminist geographers about the various types of capitalist institutions within Capitalist society. It does a really good job at showing the differences between the kind of financial capitalism and the small traders embedded in communities that also buy and sell things (as well as a range of other types). Anyway, it was good for me in reading it to help me think of another version of capitalism alongside a monolithic one. https://www.upress.umn.edu/.../the-end-of-capitalism-as...
The classic text on representations of capitalism and their political effects—with a new introduction
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Richard B. Keys Isn't capitalism (or the capitalist) concerned specifically with the accruation of surplus value. In which sense the "small trader" and "the market" itself isn't necessarily capitalist per se.
Michael Gibson Of course, experts have solemnly predicted the imminent demise of capitalism since its inception. Hasn't happened though.
Murdoch Stephens Have a read about the book, MIchael: it's not about the demise of capitalism, it's about the demise of the kind of singular and monolithic understanding of capitalism. Which is why (As We Knew It) is in the title.
Michael Gibson Murdoch Stephens - but capitalism does change its form to suit the needs of capitalists. It isn't monolithic and never has been. Capitalism's shape-shifting sinuosity (excuse the alliteration but I've been watching Monty Python skits on You Tube) accounts for its longevity.
Wells Tao Michael Gibson
yeah I'm with you there Michael, I don't subscribe to smaller versions
being cool. As i've posted before the best I've found is Democracy at
work, http://www.democracyatwork.info/ And the idea that socialism can BEAT captialism. that i can relate to in the Sontag way of the best answers EAT the question.
On this week's episode of Economic Update, Prof. Wolff provides updates on top Corp…
democracyatwork.info
Wells Tao Richard B. Keys
this idea that capitalism is only the "surplus value' i think doesn't
take into account of the way capitalism is also the production of it's
own invisibility, the determining paradigms of 'reality'.
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Natalie Kahukura Ellen-Eliza Thank you. Honesty and ownership are such precious things to find.
Paul Lack Just Dont Label Your Yourself. Live the Life that feels Right to You and Dont Worry what Anyone else Thinks. We are all Human and that is all that Matters. Labels Divide People which in turn causes Disharmony. The only Person You have the Right to Control is Yourself so Control Yourself and Dont worry about What Others think.
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Jacob Russell My thoughts on Art and Capitalism.
https://jacobrussellsmagicnames.com/tag/art-capitalism/
And how I deal with sales. An artist owns their means of production. Fair compensation is not capitalism.
https://jacobrussellsmagicnames.com/art-terms-of-sale/
https://jacobrussellsmagicnames.com/tag/art-capitalism/
And how I deal with sales. An artist owns their means of production. Fair compensation is not capitalism.
https://jacobrussellsmagicnames.com/art-terms-of-sale/
Jeremy Carver Wells Tao r u saying that art can not transcend whatever mode of production it finds itself in?
Wells Tao Jeremy Carver Transcend?
Jeremy Carver yes
Wells Tao Jeremy Carver what does this mean to you
Jeremy Carver got a funny feeling your entire debate will go into semantics at every juncture. In this case transcend means exactly what the dictionary says it is.
Jeremy Carver stick to the question
Jeremy Carver u have 2 dodgy arguments. 1 about art departments at universities. 2. Your inability to transcend being a capitalist. Both are silly arguments.
Wells Tao I'm not some god in the sky, I'm not some academic in a castle, I'm sitting here trying to figure it out. You could help, you could argue a reasonable alternative to what I've asserted. But if you don't care to define your terms against mine, there's fuck all to say.
Jeremy Carver u say proof I said cave paintings u said hahahaha. That was proof. Hahaha is a dumb response. Now debate it.
Wells Tao Jeremy Carver so to argue that my point was silly, you jump back in time and say it was different then? No shit. I am arguing NOW MAN ffs
Jacob Russell Jeremy Carver Whatever you think of the arguments, the problem is serious. No one can start out with some definitive solution without working through a lot of ideas. It's a problem of imagination as much as it is of economics and politics.
Wells Tao is dealing with that. You're doing nothing but dipping into your toilet and throwing shit against the wall. One more person to BLOCK.
Wells Tao is dealing with that. You're doing nothing but dipping into your toilet and throwing shit against the wall. One more person to BLOCK.
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Jessica Denton We artists are canaries, we can take a step beyond capitalism and the other cumbersome systems of the world that are not working and just get on with it, find better ways, go local, go natural, ignore the big guys, we out number them don't we?, we are intelligent, there are heaps of us :) x
Barry Thomas I understand your/the dilemma... maybe drop the word capitalist and concentrate on 'market issues'... ie... the fact that the market delivers disproportionate wealth, licenses greed, dispossesses indigeneity... etcy etcy...
The market is a cock... what people do with and apparently for each other (and themselves individually ) via their manufactured ideas of need and tastes, is obscene... always has been always will be...
Yes artists are used as the PR spin doctors of much of the sharp end of the market from social housing to high end (market forced) art... we don't have to and we can dwell in our own ideas, forms, histories, exposures.
The market is a cock... what people do with and apparently for each other (and themselves individually ) via their manufactured ideas of need and tastes, is obscene... always has been always will be...
Yes artists are used as the PR spin doctors of much of the sharp end of the market from social housing to high end (market forced) art... we don't have to and we can dwell in our own ideas, forms, histories, exposures.
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