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Let's move giving birth away from hospitals and train, mothers to be, how to give birth, how to deeply relax, empower the body to do what it is designed to do instead of stress mothers out through ignorance, drugs and surgery.
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Tesha ViciousTicious Stone
I’ll take the drugs if you haven’t had a baby, you have no idea 
Wells Tao
Tesha ViciousTicious Stone what an arse hole thing to say.
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Wells Tao
I've
participated in a 'successful' mainstream hospital birth and was part
of a trained home hypnobrith that was simply better. The mother of my
children says so. Is that ok with you? I was there saw it, felt it, I
say it was better. Is that ok with you. Arsehole.
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Carole Brown
Tesha
ViciousTicious Stone I had four babies, no drugs required or wanted and
if I could have done it at home away from the patronizing nurses I
certainly would have....The simple truth is that the medical structure
is in freefall at the moment and this
kind of thing would ease the pressure a little...And I'm curious, your
profile shows, foster parent but no mention of actual birth children and
I have to wonder if you've even given birth at all or if your opinion
is based on what you believe is enough knowledge through education and
fostering to know, please clarify...
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Tesha ViciousTicious Stone
Wells Tao okay cool for you ! I like your shit everyday I have one opinion that differs so Ya is that okay with you asshole
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Tesha ViciousTicious Stone
Wells Tao it was also half joking enjoy your day
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Carole Brown
Tesha
ViciousTicious Stone Damn girl, just comparing notes babe, all I did
was ask a question, it's called 'having a conversation' no need to get
all testy and defensive...And the actual subject of discussion is
whether the medical profession would be eased
a little if more women had home births which you have made clear is not
something you would even consider, fair enough, your choice...
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Wells Tao
Tesha ViciousTicious Stone shit as opinion
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Anita Rosentreter
LOL,
as someone who gave birth eight months ago, I can tell you doing it
without a hospital, drugs and surgery would have stressed me out a lot
more (and killed my baby and/or me because we required emergency surgery
after three days of labour).
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Wells Tao
Anita Rosentreter yeah it's just about you
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Simon Maitland Marler
Anita Rosentreter Definitely good to have that option!
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Wells Tao
Simon Maitland Marler duh, however to not make it the norm the norm has to change.
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Simon Maitland Marler
Wells Tao duh yourself. Are you in argumentative mode?
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Simon Maitland Marler
there's just such deep sexist poisoned patriarchy pain industry in this
one, super powerful propaganda, aimed at woman, and men are told 'it's
none of your business' it fucking is!
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Simon Maitland Marler
Wells Tao
Women should be surrounded by women, really. Forgot to include that
detail of ancient Egypt - the men and women lived in separate villages
and communicated via love letters.
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Simon Maitland Marler
with my mainstream birth I was treated like a waste of space, it truly
sucked. With our hypnobirth, I played an important role, in the training
and in the birth itself. It was incredible.
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Simon Maitland Marler
Wells Tao
I've had a variety of experiences - the most natural was foiled because
the midwife didn't communicate with the doctor in the lead time,
worried about something that turned out to be nothing, and sent my
partner to the hospital for a caesarian.
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Simon Maitland Marler
I feel midwives are also set up to fail. Too much asked of them, and no
where near the resources needed for the true education learning curve
that needs to be met, so one can truly relax! Designed incompetence.
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Simon Maitland Marler
Wells Tao
woops! Not a hysterectomy - a caesarian - getting late- gotta go to
bed! I think it was at a time when doctors and midwives didn't trust
each other. Gotta work together. I had a friend whose baby had severe
brain damage during home birth bec…
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Wells Tao
Simon Maitland Marler ya so many horror stories...
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Wells Tao
The
horror stories are another huge problem, there's no where to go with
them so they remain under the surface festering. So many woman with post
birth physical and psychological damage. Men just the later.
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Jozef Horopapera
Hardout
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Angela Winter Means
I
had an amazing drug free birth experience- it was like I was having the
best psychedelic experience…tripping. I was swimming in the ocean
holding my babies hand….Its about relenting control. (Or was it playing
SUNN0))) through the wall of the womb? 
Seriously
tho- I know others like me too. Its entirely and wholly very very
possible if the mindset is completely there to start with.
Seriously
tho- I know others like me too. Its entirely and wholly very very
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Angela Winter Means
YES! That's it, that is what I feel should be, could be the norm,
something unique, personal, learned and understood as a living thing
alive life affirming, important event. The mainstream education we got
about birthing set us up to
fail, it was still technically called a success, but the fact that
there was just no comparison between that and actually learning about
what is going to happen and training to be there, deeply prepared ready.
No comparison at all, black and white, one is simply so wrong and the
other, so fucking right.
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Angela Winter Means
Wells Tao
100% agree, we are taught to set goals in materialistic means only
rather than in the innate internal drives like honouring courage and our
natural desires around birth and death. Those of us who are still
entwined with our deepest human natures
are now vilified by a loud bunch who assume majority but are in fact a
tiny minority. Watching death become marketable right now in workshops
is hideous and cheap to me and the poor disconnected humans who allow
themselves to be glamoured, to pay for some kind of surface
“understanding” to help bury their true understanding- which left them
at some stage….? ahhhh growing wise by taking things slowly…. But these
algorithms 
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Jessica Hopkins we are a long long long way from that level of education
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Hannah May Lee
I
don't think non-birthing parents should really have a say in this.
While home births are fine for some, they aren't for all. And you can
have drug free births in hospital. Both of mine were drug free until
things went wrong. Had I delivered my second child at home there's a high chance I would have bled out and died.
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Wells Tao
Hannah May Lee you miss the point completely
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Hannah May Lee
Wells Tao - what is your point?
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Wells Tao
Hannah May Lee you could try again at reading above comments.
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Hannah May Lee
Wells - what empowers birthing parents is not being told how to give birth.
What
would actually enable this is more (and better paid) midwives so that
it's easier for us to find someone to work with who empowers us to have
the birthing experience that works
for us. For some, that may be a home birth or hospital hypnobirthing,
for others, that might mean an elective C section.
Yes,
childbirth is a natural thing, but it doesn't come easily for all.
There is a reason our maternal death rates are much lower now than they
used to be, and that reason is medical intervention.
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Hannah May Lee
That's the propaganda we're told. I don't believe it. Educating mothers
from an early age how to relax their bodies on cue would revolutionize
everything. From period pain to placenta birth. I appreciate that you
want to defend your own experience, but try to imagine, it can be better.
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Hannah May Lee
Wells Tao
- you do realise you're just another white guy telling women what's
best for their bodies don't you? That is just more of what we don't
need.
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Hannah May Lee
do I realize that I have a valid part to play in educating stupid and
challenging stupid conventions, Yes. Do I understand that both stupid
and propagandized will cancel the message because of the messenger,
Absolutely. Cancel away.
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Karena Way
You ever given birth?
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Wells Tao
Karena Way You ever been a father? Please speak for me
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Lynda Sampson
My
dad would say to me when I was pregnant in the 60s, don't know what all
the fuss is about, they give birth in the fields in some countries.
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Warren Freeman
My
wife's second birth went exactly this way quietly at home in the early
morning. Lamaze technique helped. Then La Leche League support helped
with feeding. For our daughter however she had it rough in a hospital,
with drugs, stirrups, and eventually
an episiotomy, and later the lactation consultants gave all the wrong
advice and she required an operation for an abscess. Night and day
experiences. I still believe with the right support the first could
have been a more similar experience to the second. Not all midwives
really get it these-days. The traditions have been corrupted and
smashed to bits. Not to mention the nutritional advice. See Ray Peat
for wisdom in that direction.
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Ellie Str
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while modern medicine still misses the mark most of the time for AFABs.
It has markedly reduced maternal and infant mortality. And our bodies
weren’t designed/have not evolved with the growing size of the full term
foetus. Choice is a wonderful
thing- such as the choice for fathers or non birthing parents to even
be in the room is very “modern”. If we don’t have enough funding or time
to educate the public to vaccinate at a high enough rate for herd
immunity/eradication. I have too much doubt in the system to supply to
those who got pregnant due to lack of education in the first place.
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Tuhi-Ao Bailey
I
had two amazing ‘home births’ in Taranaki base hospital. My midwife and
I lead the process and my partner supported me. The hospital staff were
amazing. Just sat back and watched, available if we needed them, then
cleaned up during and afterwards. Sometimes
we can have the best of both options if we all work together. This was
an option explained by the awesome parents who ran Active Birth Taranaki
back in the day. They taught us how to do your research, how to do a
hospital pre-visit incase you needed medical assistance, how to have a
clear plan for what you want and don’t want and prepare people to
advocate for you if you can’t. I wasn’t able to have a homebirth the
first time due to midwife unavailability so I went into hospital as was
our plan B. It went so well I opted for that next time.
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Wells Tao
Tuhi-Ao Bailey way too rare
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Tuhi-Ao Bailey
Wells Tao maybe. What’s the evidence for Aotearoa? I haven’t heard many mums I know complain. Overseas is far worse from what I’ve read.
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Tuhi-Ao Bailey
data is just not available as far as I can tell. But what I am talking
about is systemic violence done to woman and men through a culture of
accepted brutality for woman around birth. Yes there are success stories
but at what ratio? It's not like mainstream is going to allow itself to
be criticized. It can't even admit that covid was made in a lab!
