Moving
on from the what is art question, in my experience that has proven to
be a dead end, owned and controlled. The question is what is it the art
of? Which is that art in it's widest and most specific examples, is an
ambiguity that as a form of 'objectivity', given the market control of
society, is sold mislabeled. By shifting the contextual battle ground to
the fixed, non ambiguous and therefore more transparent, propaganda's
determining factors are able to be set outside of market control, and
therefore in my opinion since nothing can actually 'be fixed' ambiguous
art qualities are more likely to manifest, discovered rather than
fantasized.
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One of these are worth changing
Richard Benjamin Solomon Keys Are you basically just turning it from a ontologically and aesthetically orientated question with a implicit politics to a political-pragmatics?- Hide 38 Replies
- Richard Benjamin Solomon Keys But for example Marx rests on the labour theory of value which rests on certain ontological assumptions about labour and value etc...
Anton L'Etranger "'when i was just a little ghoul/ i asked my mother/ what will i be?/will i be pretty?/will i be rich??heres what she said to me -que serah serah..." a few months ago i found an old monologue relating to this topic about what is art...most of it was rubbish, but i do agree "the most powerful thing about art - whatever form it takes - is that it is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE"- Anton L'Etranger sorry i was waffling about the arts part of the scenario, not the political part....i know i shouldnt be so tired, but i grow weary of politics......i guess thats the whole trap society demands "place your love in the fuherer and we will win and you wont have to think/feel anymore...but if you dont love the fuherer then Fuck Off"
Wells Tao Art is pupae, neither alive or dead, propaganda is graduation,i.e "this means .., this is worth... etc etc". There is great value in art, of course, as a stage as an event. but I don't feel it is what the edges of life are practicing. Instead I see power struggles to articulate concepts in order to destroy subjective perception. Given that the State, the Corporates are "people', ambiguity, art is a weapon being used against me, in my name, fed to me as if it's medicine from a poisoned machine plant.- Anton L'Etranger but also one that is usable against nasty powers-that-be...from simple street grafitti to high end techno-zappy-zappy-computer stuff
- Anton L'Etranger the Ollie North saga was a gas , man, i remember i was only a brat, probably my first foray into political shenanigens, and the guys were all on the telly Ronald, Donald, random mercernaries - no, sir, we did NOT do anything illegal - i think i said something like "these guys are all lying" to my mum, and she just said Now Now dear, lets watch something else
- Richard Benjamin Solomon Keys What I'm saying is that ontology-aesthetics-politics are always nested... implicit in each other.
Your rephrasing of the question shifts the onus to the political dimension... rather than the more ontological-aesthetic context in which the question is usually framed...
Which is revealing in certain ways... 
Murdoch Stephens Yeah, Tao how is that writing coming along? Dialogues are fine, but polemics blow my mind.- Wells Tao Lots of writing, coming out of my ears, but I can't seem to nail down a picture of who I am talking to.Barry Thomas It's like the greatest things were all originally created... then they ossify and rigor mortis claims their life forces - then they are fought for etcy etcy... there is nothing worse than property to bring out the worst in people. Each time a new creation happens the clouds part, we laugh... we can see the trees from the ply wood, the dirt from the paint. And IMHO many times this can mean unpicking the threads of the fabrics to see again what they are made from... how to make them and what else is possible.
Barry Thomas Imagine an art school that teaches how to make iron, electricity and fabric from raw materials - I like the sound of that.- Write a reply...
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- Wells Tao "Kids are always going to join the gangs - you have to change the gangs." http://www.stuff.co.nz/.../Tricky-plan-to-get-Kiwi-kids...
A Kiwi bodyguard, a well-known musician and a Mongrel Mob member have formed an unlikely partnership to try...stuff.co.nz 
- Barry Thomas I like the 'orgasm of culture'... but since the seventies it has been art's quest to reunite nature and culture - in some form - via pranayama/yoga or somesuch which has led to the flowering of green politics, (see Beuys et al) anti coprporatism and maybe even social media. Collectivity is a green thing I suspect.
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