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ProperGander*TM: Covid danger = 1 in 7,500, Vax danger = 1 in 800. ...

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Workers are essential, capitalists are not

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pretty sure wearing a mask is international for fascist follower (this is a mental health exercise and not recommended for everyone [though actually it is, but only when you'r ready]).

 


  • Wells Tao

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    pretty sure wearing a mask is international for fascist follower

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    • Wells Tao
    Rob pick a fight with someone else


    Wells Tao
    and for the record I've lived for periods of time in Asia, Taiwan and Korea,


    • Rob Mayes
    Wells Tao I'm not trying to fight, I'm trying to discuss, to find a truth. same as you I would have thought?


    • Wells Tao
    Rob Mayes you are not interested in discussing you want to be right. You are right Rob.


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    • Rob Mayes
    you're better than this statement, but then, I live in a fascist state that implements eternal lockdowns, no wait, that didn't happen where I am.


    Wells Tao
    Rob Mayes you don't get it. Would be smarter to say nothing


    • Rob Mayes
    leave it to the experts? hmmm, that hasn't worked out very well has it. Show me the credentials, better still show me the workings and I'll figure it out for myself.








    • Physio-metabolic and clinical consequences of wearing face masks—Systematic review with meta-analysis and comprehensive evaluation
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    Physio-metabolic and clinical consequences of wearing face masks—Systematic review with meta-analysis and comprehensive evaluation
    Physio-metabolic and clinical consequences of wearing face masks—Systematic review with meta-analysis and comprehensive evaluation


    • Rob Mayes
    Lily Stuit Straight off they're general and inspecific
    "Discussion: Masks interfered with O2-uptake and CO2-release and compromised respiratory compensation."
    What masks. Which ones are they trialing?
    How were they worn, ie effectively or casually?
    Were they used in conjunction with other measures? ie don't walk into the middle of an ocean and say this raincoat doesn't work.
    Why not include information from other societies that have had facemask protocol in winter as a normal and functional part of social norm.
    To leave these factors out just makes it look like they're confirmation biasing. ie they're looking to prove the point they want rather than letting the data prove the point that is.


    • Wells Tao
    Rob Mayes "From the above facts, we conclude that a mask requirement must be reconsidered in a strictly scientific way without any political interference as well as from a humanitarian and ethical point of view. There is an urgent need to balance adverse mask effects with their anticipated efficacy against viral transmission. In the absence of strong empirical evidence of mask effectiveness, mask wearing should not be mandated let alone enforced by law." - how reasonable


    • Rob Mayes
    Wells Tao absolutely, it should be an informed choice like everything. My contention is with the level of factual consideration given to the whole issue.
    we really don't get any insight into the many factors involved (is there a difference in mask type and mask usage? not according to this study. are there advances that could be made to air filtration that could make it better at doing the job and less invasive. Not mentioned in this study at all. Let's have some info on how viral load impacts the equation.
    How does airflow impact success rate?
    Social stigma?
    how about some data from countries that have been using them routinely for decades, surely there's some data on how it's given everyone brain damage?
    Anything at all would be great but it's not here in this study cos it obviously has one aim. to discredit any worth in filtration of exhaled air. I've yet to see a study that addresses any of the points I've raised. Happy to have it proved one way or another. I have no investment in it. Just that my personal experience and observations contradict the narrative presented here.


    • Wells Tao
    ok cool, your personal experience vs mine. I love that it works for you, I really do. But it doesn't for me, and it doesn't for the people I see sufering wearing it. It's also the shear nuts of it, wearing a mask I smell a fart, I'm eating that shit... masks do did not stops shit. So yeah I"M SKEPTICAL, yes I do get the idea of long pants offering a bit of cover from being pissed on the leg, but it is not stopping infection. And whoa there are a whole lot of people that aren't me who seem to be scientists who are saying that we should be skeptical.


    • Wells Tao
    And then there is the need to believe it works, and that those that aren't are endangering our health, this narrative has been heavily invested in, and yet the science has barely been established. Doctor masks are simply not designed to stop air born viruses, never were... but as symbols of polite care, they drive home a behavior that could be actually masking/ obscuring what really is effective practice, and what is not. i.e it appears that washing hands was significantly effective, wearing masks not so.


    • Rob Mayes
    Wells Tao I agree, it hasn't worked for wider western society. It's a categorical failure, as were many other aspects of the response, leading to the catastrophic failure and most everyone in the country contracting it. No argument there. The way it was implemented and the lack of informed consent and lack of getting everyone on board and understanding how it 'could' work, failure. And I would agree with you that it was failure at a govt level that they let down the country by taking shonky unproven advice, did not see their failure and make adjustments to account for the social push back. Kiwi govt didn't understand kiwi population. chaos ensues.
    But that still doesn't discredit the concept of filtering the main path to spread of the virus. it just proves that the way it was done was deeply flawed.
    I, like you have not seen clinical tests on the efficacy of masks and their design, and really we should have by now, so I won't be making judgement calls on how they work until I see that effectively established, and it's insane that we haven't had this material well presented to us or that there haven't been studies done even, or, that there have been very few advancements in an obvious weak point in the virus's spread. it's the obvious place to stop it. why wasn't 50 billion put into that. we could have had air cooled wifi equipped colour of your choice fits in your mouth devices by now. but, instead we've got arguments over how they function. insanity.


    • Wells Tao
    Rob Mayes I dunno bud, that sounds like full blown cultural insanity to me... there are differences but they are not scientific differences.. it's airborn.. masks don't stop it.


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    • Rob Mayes
    Wells Tao I don't think you or I have the scientific understanding to make any call on how masks do or don't work on a technical level. (on a social level yes because we've seen them not work in western societies).
    I have read that viral load is an important factor. ie how big are the globs it travels in. The virus is very small, true, but allegedly the virus doesn't travel as individual dry single cells floating on the win like dust, it travels in exhaled globs from a wet interior (the lungs and throat) and it's projected into the air on exhale, and critically cough, which obviously allows it to travel further if unimpeded by a mask. It's not a gas either so the fart analogy doesn't hold true, even if it is funny.
    So there's a lot to consider there and it's something you'd think really could and should have been establishing in lab tests by now.
    With my limited knowledge of science (High School and Uni level) I know there are a lot of factors to consider. Those factors have to be tested and considered before you can make blanket generalisations and I haven't seen an article or program on them (how the virus distributes itself) being undertaken, which just seems crazy. How can you address the enemy if you don't know how it moves?


    • Wells Tao
    Rob Mayes ugh, not my call, i read the conclusion of test done. Duh..


    • Rob Mayes
    Wells Tao Those aren't tests done, their statistics of how the implementation has played out. we agree, it's bad in the places they're reading stats from. my point is, wearing a raincoat into the ocean and saying it doesn't work isn't really a useful assessment of a raincoat.


  • Wells Tao
    Rob Mayes it is, if it's meant to make you float
     
     
    • Wells Tao
    Rob we've been lied directly to our innocent faces by our gov. by scientists they've used to justify vaccines, with a shit record of a serious adverse event 1, in every 800 vaxs. How can you stand to believe that your gov. science endorsed mask has anything to do with health safety. Yeah I'm skeptical



    • Lily Stuit
    I admit, masks are useful when dealing with dust, dander, and the like, if you have those allergies... they're good if you're an actual surgeon, or work with noxious materials... otherwise, nah, not buying it, never bought it. it's just DUMB.


    • Rob Mayes
    Wells Tao Also take into account incompetence. it's possible there's a high level of that involved too.


    • Wells Tao
    sorry to go down a related tangent but this guy is quoting the UK gov's own data: to prevent 1 case of covid going to hospital in the 50 to 59 age range 43,600 people need to have a booster. with 1 in 800 having a serious adverse event, 55 people will die or be put into hospital. This is seriously nuts bud.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvSHD_n3Lyg
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    • Wells Tao
    Rob Mayes I guess you are arguing degree's, if it helps a little, then why not... makes sense. Only beyond myth, I'm not seeing that it helps, I'm seeing it hurt and it hurts with the idea that it's helping! All that trust and faith, abused is used against the few that actually want to see the science first, and not just one study or two.. I'm shocked that any studies have been done or have made it as far as in to my hands, given the intensity of any public back lash (see Jack Brazil response for the standard ) towards anyone daring to question the story. I get accused of being a radical poser who questions cause it's cool, it is not cool! IT fucking sucks, I would much rather shut up, but my conscience will not let me. You are defending masks, you are defended, the F'n gov is on your side. Why so defensive? Cause you know it's bullshit, you just want me and my benevolent smarts to convince you like a good parent would what is right. Well I CANT precisely because i've been parentalized as you've been infantilized! AH ha














    • Jack Brazil
    Nah I make pragmatic decisions about wearing a mask to avoid catching covid for a 4th time .. like if I’m in a plane, busy places, or going places where i don’t need to share breathing space. I trust the science on this eh .. not gonna wade into the who is a fascist chat aside from saying it’s usually people who don’t care about anyone beyond their immediate circle 👍🏼
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    Wells Tao
    Jack Brazil yeah tough to go with the flow, and cheers for the passive agressive smack down, I'd expect nothing less


    • Jack Brazil
    Wells Tao when I get covid, it completely debilitates me. I have a heart condition so viruses hit me hard. For other people I know, it killed them. So when I see comments like the ones you’re making above I’m gonna be frank and honest. Please don’t project on to me. Pō marie e hoa

    • Wells Tao
    Jack Brazil wow you are so righteous it's like vomit.

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    • Wells Tao
    please comment more on something you clearly do not understand


    • Edward Vanson
    What about Zorro


    Wells Tao
    freedom fighter, lover, all good with me


    • Edward Vanson
    More importantly, Wesley!


    Wells Tao
    what's a Wesley?


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    • Zuben Weeds
    This is still the best study of Face Masks. It is a meta study - a study of all the research - 1946-2018
    Published in 2020
    RCT means [complete] randomised control trial - the Gold Standard.
    "In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25)
    Anyone who claims that wearing a face mask can stop transmission or infection is obviously not aware or interested in science.
    Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures
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    Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures
    Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures


    Wells Tao
    Thanks you. And yet, freedom sprouting loving radicals like Jack Brazil have the gonads to shout me down as a uncaring killer! Rob Mayes does the liking! You guys are about as interested in open discussion free speech as a wound up fascist is having a debate! Can you see that? Can you see your own thugery.


    • Zuben Weeds
    Wells Tao Strange times we have to bear witness. I now just have a little chuckle at folk who persist with wearing unhygienic 'face nappies'.
    An uncaring killer will recommend forced mRNA injections
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    • Wells Tao
    Exaclty








    • Wells Tao
    this is a mental health exercise and not recommended for everyone (though actually it is, but only when you'r ready).


    • Zuben Weeds
    If masks were so effective, why did we need isolation, lockdowns and mRNA injections?????????????????
    Wear a mask an everything be fine


    Wells Tao
    It bugs me that masking was never about health/safety, that it's about COMPLIANCE and obedience to a narrative, a story


    • Wells Tao
    Zuben Weeds and then there's the, "but it all helps" what ever it takes to stop swamping the hospitals! 1 in 800 vax's = adverse event, what excess deaths?
     
     
      Wells Tao
      "masking was never about health/safety, that it's about COMPLIANCE and obedience to a narrative, a story" - it's fucking spooky that I remember hearing phrases like this years ago and remember reacting violently internally, super instant angry, like I was triggered to a state of consciousness akin to waking amid a bout of cognitive dissonance, since the shock was then as it is now, I agree that this is about obedience to something that I am being asked to believe and trust without being given the opportunity to debate, question and challenge what I am being asked to believe and trust. But the fact was I had chosed to obey, on the basis of, if I didn't if I didn't get vaccinated, stay home, wear a mask, I would be spreading the virus, I would be killing people. This bottom line, is eradicated by the brutal facts that to prevent 1 case of covid going to hospital in the 50 to 59 age range 43,600 people need to have a booster. with 1 in 800 having a serious adverse event, 55 people will die or be put into hospital. That's 55 other wise healthy people taken out. SO NUTS
      And the stats get worse...

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        Dale Shock
        Please explain your thought process that leads you to this conclusion. This seems to be an incredulous statement.


        Wells Tao
        Please examine above, like a grown up. You've been warned, oh wait you haven't, this is a mental health exercise, and not recommended for everyone (though of course it is, but only when you are ready).

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