Criptic Critic Conscience and Known for it

Saturday, October 27, 2012

"Even you know the arts have been completely depoliticised. Once that cat's left the bag, the bag stays empty" Converstation with New Zealand Contemporary Art Collector Jim Barr. Makes me wonder what he thinks he's been buying?



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  • Dick Whyte likes this.
  • Laura Wells this gives me so many conflicting thoughts
  • Wells Tao Unfortunately : "3. It gives a big group of university funded artists something to not participate in (the art market) " is all the proof you need to see that Mary Barr & Jim Barr are still in the 60's.
  • Jim Barr "they are part of a closed system, the academic art world cozy little relationship. They do not have to be taken up by the market place and sold, they do not have to have a physical impact on the public, these guys already get paid and all they have to do is satisfy their boss."
  • Wells Tao Touche, but that's not the whole argument. Parakowhai anyone?
  • Wells Tao Peter Robinson anyone?
  • Wells Tao Anne Noble anyone?
  • Wells Tao Can I get a price for a public academic at your local art market? And the future looks like... what was that CNZ you want outcomes to look like businesses... no shit..
  • Jim Barr All those university based artists test themselves in the commercial sector, many others for various reasons don't
  • Wells Tao Test them selves, how quaint, I'd put it more like, take the money shut up and run.
  • Wells Tao Jim Barr , Are you seriously suggesting that the above artists , for example, promote their positions as paid academics to the public in a way that the public grasps that they are indeed employees of our esteemed public learning institutions?
  • Jim Barr That's a bit considering you started this thing mocking us for saying that the market was something that gave ".... a big group of university funded artists something to not participate in". I don't think it is a big secret that these people work in the universities. Besides who is this "public" that cares one way or the other? It's all the one percent which ever way you look at it, art or no art.
  • Jim Barr You can choose form "that's a bit rich" That's a bit slippery" or "That's a stretch"
  • Wells Tao "I don't think" about covers it. University artists are the market which is why they refuse to do the hard part of the job their paid for and take the flak for being public employees, not good for Boss. Not good for the Glamorous career veneer. Nice touch with the 1%, but your arse is showing
  • Jim Barr They are what they are state paid artists. Just like artists who takes CNZ grants, works for a public art museum or stands in line for any of the other state cash. They are all part of the State machine one way or the other. Will they bite the hand that feeds them...well maybe a nibble here and there.
  • Wells Tao yes yes let's down play the scale of the scam, the faud, the lies, he he he, all in good fun. Let's obscure the role having a salary to bank role your production plays, let's ignore the responsibilities attached to that salary, by tradition, by expectation, by law. They know not of what they do... as a heavy investor I can hear your defenses scrambling, but I'm sure you have nothing to worry about. Integrity, i can hear John Key say.. is just someones opinion.
  • Jim Barr Aw c'mon Tao, university staff haven't played critic and conscience for yonks, why would they start now. That would be like waiting for one of them to publicly comment on whether or not the Walters jury should see the work it nominates or not. University staff standing up to be counted on political issues - won't happen. Should it go back to the 60s (when they did)? Probably. Will it? Not a chance. Even you know the arts have been completely depoliticised. Once that cat's left the bag, the bag stays empty.
  • Wells Tao i make the point. What you tend to do with it is your own conscience.
  • Jim Barr Amen to that and have a good day
  • Wells Tao see ya
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  1. Roger BoyceNovember 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    Practicing artists who participate in the art market - and who are embedded in the increasingly corporate university - pay a price (the specie being time, energy and institutional angst) for their fortnightly pay packet.

    A great deal of energy is spent (some may say wasted) fighting administrative initiatives that are antithetical to good orderly direction and pragmatic curriculum contribution to positive student outcomes.

    Faculty resistance to relentless, successive waves of administrative policy that bows to the bottom-line costs of everything and the value of nothing is an unrecognized area of public service. Service dedicated to maintaining some connection to qualitative (rather than quantitative) outcomes.

    Speaking as an unabashed market participating practitioner, of longstanding, who also teaches I'd like to report that the amount of time I spend serving as a human bulwark against echt-corporate policies has (conservatively) trebled. Which has had the effect of perniciously eroding the sanctuary of studio, the physical and mental robustness required to 'dance' with the the market and do right by what remains of my so-called personal life.

    I would suggest that most folk's outside view (including enfant terrible Tao's) is a caricature of what participation in the contemporary academy costs the practicing artists who - from expedience or love - choose to make a career of training nascent artists for the occupation.

    Be well.

    Roger Boyce

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  2. so you tell meNovember 19, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    Sorry I had missed this earlier comment, and am only publishing it now. My mistake.

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