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Sunday, October 28, 2012

Part 2: "Even you know the arts have been completely depoliticised. Once that cat's left the bag, the bag stays empty" Converstation with New Zealand Contemporary Art Collector Jim Barr.

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  • Laura Wells I too liked this analogy
  • Wells Tao One has to ask, what does he think he's been buying, as an art collector, if the bag is empty.
  • Chris Rigby unpoliiticised art?
  • Anton L'Etranger i suspect the cat never really liked being in the bag anyway
  • Danny Butt But parliament's been completely depoliticised, so I don't really know what's special about art.
  • Anton L'Etranger g'day mate. sorry. I live in white australia. I don't know nuffing mate.
  • Burly Chassis What if the reason politics lost it's ethical dimension in the first place (if it had one) was the political hijacking of non-political spaces?
  • Barry Thomas What a defeatist "bag" of fecal matter. The reason I invented rADz, the reason Tao did the Bene Office and the reason people are invading CBD's with art and Occupational interests is simply TO GET THE CAT TO SHRED THE F...ING BAG AGAIN. Who's over curator collector dillitante commmentators heckling this nonsence from the sidelines without ever committing to what artists face daily... the cat and the bag.
  • Barry Thomas Bag war is also the reason for - Cabbage Patch, Letting space, yarn bombing, fence weaving, graffiti, flash mobs... I read a whle ago in one of JIm's B L O G s that "art has never been front page news" - he continues to display ignorance of history (Ca...See More
  • Barry Thomas Hey there's probably a real demonstrable movement - Wellington's and probably NZ's first and only going on here - why don't these dipstick commentators open their eyes and write about that set of documented actualities for once?
  • Jim Barr The 'cat' was university lecturers being prepared to speak out politically. But nothing wrong with putting things out of context if you want to stir up uninformed remarks. And hell, it worked.
  • Wells Tao thanks for putting it back in context Jim, be interesting to see if it can stay there...
  • Jim Barr Pleasure
  • Wells Tao I felt it was an accurate description/notion that fitted many contexts... hence my re framing... a very typical journo technique, nothing like having your words stuffed down your neck in a way that you never said... ahh culture..
  • Wells Tao My fav from the Bene Office was "promoting unemployment", no we weren't, but hell don't shit stick
  • Wells Tao Oh and your Number 2: " 2. In NZ at least the art market is one of the few areas where people are happy to express strong opinions about art"
  • Wells Tao "strong opinion" as long as it's not political, "strong opinion" aesthetically speaking, or "strong opinion" that agrees with the ruling majority...
  • Jim Barr That's right, otherwise we would have said "strong *political* opinions about art". How about number 6? Come on Tao, you must like number 6.
  • Wells Tao ha you want to know what I think, ha ha ha... Reasons why the art market is totally entertaining, number 6: because it is Drama and excitement. For who? For me? Am I suppose to here appreciate that it exists at all and stop complaining that... I can't get in the game cause my market is flooded with Salaried disk jockeys who get a lot more bang for their buck with people like you.. kind of excitement? When there's nothing else on the telly, hell yeah
  • Wells Tao I like number nine; "9. The “what’s it worth” conversation."
  • Jim Barr Tao you've got to stop blaming yourself for not earning a big salary.
  • Wells Tao he he he, nothing like an ad hominium to catch your breath eh Jim.
  • Jim Barr Yeah, refreshing. Now ... where was I, oh I remember. Off to annoy Tao.
  • Wells Tao Annoy! I can't stop blushing.. he's talking to me?????
  • Jim Barr Enough, you're right, it's not natural
  • Wells Tao what's not natural?
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    Wells Tao We live in different worlds that is true, pity we don't talk more often.
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