- James Robinson christ - just see if they can define compassion!
- Jarad Bryant When good friendships are destroyed by one of the friends being ideologically polarised to the point of not even being able discus the overview of a political landscape... that’s maybe the real travesty of political myths.
How can truth be ascertained when personal investments are that high?
In Soviet appartments the walls were made paper thin, this way neighbours could hear what wad said next door and thus the state had eyes and ears on the ground.
The thing that defeated the soviet tyranny was In large part the growth of nationalism. - Murray Kilpatrick Jarad Bryant who mentioned langes name as one of the three stooges. Stop trying to twist things to suit your own agenda.
- Wells Tao Jarad Bryant truth is relative, you only need a theory to get to the moon
- Wells Tao Murray Kilpatrick Lange did collapse, isolated and confused. If he was a stooge, he had a great deal of company
- Murray Kilpatrick Wells Tao lange was hoodwinked by the right wing implants.
- Wells Tao Murray Kilpatrick certainly what's been pitched
- Murray Kilpatrick Wells Tao it was pretty obvious at the time if you lived through it. The three went on to form the Act Party. Nothing could be philosophically further from left wing politics. They didn't just change their philosophies suddenly all together. Dirty tricks from the right just as we are seeing today. Right wing philosophy whatever way anybody likes to dress it up is all about me me me and entitlement. That period of time did a huge amount of damage to the Labour Party and in my opinion a huge amount of damage to NZ. Especially kiwis who are not economically powerful.
- Wells Tao Murray Kilpatrick yeah I was there. Lange's ignorance of economics was also well known
- Murray Kilpatrick Wells Tao that's fine. People can't be experts at everything I believe that he genuinely cared for Kiwis and especially the less powerful ones. Do you really need me to comment on the moral standards of the other three?
- Murray Kilpatrick Wells Tao I'm not sure if we have ever met? You seem fine. Sorry about being so blunt with my postings. But I now have very little tolerance for the bull shit that some people choose to post while thinking that they are hiding their self interest vested interests. I'm personally very comfortable through luck more than anything else. I've taught many students in the Porirua Basin for several decades and I'm very aware that there are many hard working caring families for whom life has become an increasingly almost impossible struggle. It began with Roger Douglas.
- Jarad Bryant You just mentioned those people to guide your ship. I had originally mentioned Langes name in my first post. It was he who was steering Labours ship at the time. What was he?.. a gullible stupid idiot who didn’t know what neo liberalism was?
- Jarad Bryant Prebble was a Labour MP for 9 years before the Lange government. Maybe he saw the rational of free market economics and realised the deficit in left wing economic models. Thomas Sowell did that. I don’t think that makes Sowell a “right wing implant” or Prebble.
But maybe he was. - Mick McCrohon Isn't bailing out the banks etc. corporate socialism?
- Wells Tao Is it?
- Lorina Stacey Schwenke They don’t have a Fkn clue!!! Every western democracy has capitalism and socialism... NZ ranks in the top 10 for capitalist freedom... and capitalism in NZ under John key fkd NZ forever
- Wells Tao That is, from the perspective of one of currently, 50k+ New Zealand Paid Socialist, democratic socialist, Democratic economy beneficiary, receiver of collected collective wealth, taxes from poor people spent on poor people, decision decided by democracy, welfare for the poor not for the rich, get capitalists out of welfare. Collect the rich's contribution to our collective decision. Pass Capitalist ecocide, with readiness to recognize the Socialism that already exists, prepare to not defend but move forward, mass on the steps above, not below. Move change into the physical manifestation of a less consumption world.
- Wells Tao Lorina Stacey Schwenke totally interesting concept that the right and left radicals are I think identifying in the states show of economic power, propping up capitalism, would be great for more detail from 'them' about this definition of communism. Could I ask you?
- Lorina Stacey Schwenke Wells Tao school is communism ... son go to school 9-3 eat lunch at 12.. pee when you put your hand up ... wear shoes and a uniform .. but dad they mum them school doesn’t suit me between those hours .. I want to wake up whenever I want and go to schoo…See More
- Wells Tao Lorina Stacey Schwenke every time you say communism I see capitalism. It's the lack of access to change that is capitalism. You can have a hundred different styles of tennis shoe, but you can't change the way or reason it is made. Historical communism, has more recently been called centralized or State Capitalism.
- Lorina Stacey Schwenke Wells Tao I see it as all 3 Working side by side ... communism capitalism and socialism.... we still being dictated to...
- Wells Tao Lorina Stacey Schwenke it's to the degree that you can be heard over the dictating to, collect and galvanize around the victories, even have access to their happening. The 'foe' will change but the practice must start already, must already be happening.
- Lorina Stacey Schwenke Wells Tao a school uniform is communism it’s about uniformity .. but it’s also capitalism.. especially if it’s a private school... but it’s also socialism because every school gets government funding .... and it’s a democracy because you choose some of your subjects and what you eat ... but it’s also communism because you are told you are zoned for that school you are being told that living in a low decile area means you go to that school even though you want to go to a different one .. but then you apply for one out of zone as part of a democracy... if you’re smart it’s capitalism ... if you’re poor and it’s filling a quota it’s socialism...
- Wells Tao Lorina Stacey Schwenke and suits?
- Wells Tao sports teams?
- Wells Tao Soldiers?
- Wells Tao Schools get government funding because that is what we have voted for.
- Wells Tao The Zone system is fucked up. But that is something that democracy should address, capitalism already profits from it.
- Lorina Stacey Schwenke Wells Tao it’s communism because Serena Williams wanted to wear a different tennis outfit and wasn’t allowed ... it’s capitalism because Nike is her sponsor and she draws a large crowd .. it’s socialism because the low wage workers are having their incomes supplemented .. the government also gave them tax breaks ... capitalist socialism...
- Lorina Stacey Schwenke Wells Tao we are being fkd everywhere ... free thinkers ... what is that...
- Wells Tao Lorina Stacey Schwenke good to start there, yes we are being fucked everywhere, we've got a few years to change from a path of capitalist ecocide, for me it helps to focus.
- Lorina Stacey Schwenke Wells Tao I guess deleting Facebook is a good start ... it’s all of the above ... 😉
- Wells Tao Lorina Stacey Schwenke commit and follow through! But insist on not shooting own foot! if poss
- Lorina Stacey Schwenke Wells Tao how do we dismantle this ..... that is rhetorical .... it’s a given really....
- Duane Zarakov socialism is a joint rolled in toilet paper
- Wells Tao you might smoke that one on your own
- Duane Zarakov who will smoke this socialism with me
- Duane Zarakov they say it's a gateway drug ya know
- Wells Tao Duane Zarakov "who will smoke this socialism with me" now that's a campaign trail
- Duane Zarakov smokin' socialism
- Murray Kilpatrick Duane Zarakov right tell me objectively what you understand about right and left wing philosophy. Yes I saw your Facebook page.
- Duane Zarakov how long have you got
- Duane Zarakov how long have i got
- Duane Zarakov no i didn't look at your facebook page
- Duane Zarakov i hope you enjoyed my photographs of shopping trolleys
- Bruce Hudson What will increase the popularity of the far right is if they can gaslight the centre left or left into defending itself.
The false stating of clear divisions are the enemy. Countries are a blend, a hybrid. Capitalism exists in the most communistic countries in the form of black markets. Socialism exists everywhere governments produce public roads and parks. - Wells Tao Define socialism
- Russell Armitage Bruce Hudson I don't understand your first paragraph. Are there some typing errors?
- Bruce Hudson Wells Tao No thanks. That may imply that I think socialism is evil, which I assuredly do not.
- Bruce Hudson Russell Armitage Two big bloopers in my comment, which I fixed. Does it make sense to you now?
- Doug C T Thomas According to Russian communist friend of mine & hard core he defines socialism as communism without balls...but he adds, they're useful idiots.
- Doug C T Thomas In theory socialism is to look after the people with housing, food, work etc but in reality it only looks after the ruling elite & their allies.
- Wells Tao Doug C T Thomas well you are describing criticism of the current practice of Socialism. But this argument confuses the issue by suggesting that there isn't socialism already for the poor. There is, it just needs a lot of improvements. The argument needs to shut down meme's that are digging around cancelling frames, and assert the view that democratic socialism is already in existence, what's new.
- Doug C T Thomas is there such a thing as democratic socialism...great well meaning words but in practice?
- Wells Tao Doug C T Thomas I think it's no surprise that it's existence is doubted, thwarted and confused, capitalism being the dominator of info systems and content, but hey, here i am one of 50k receivers of wealth from a Democratic Economy, when the worker decides by democracy how to spend the profit, then that's Socialism.
- Iain Whitaker And dont forget to remind them that we are living in a socialist country where wealth is redistributed to sustain and stumulate the economy. Most if not all small businesses have benefited from redistribution and government support in some form and none so much as through covid
- Wells Tao ""...stimulate the economy" - yes a democratic economy, our wealth has been spent on maintaining capitalist private wealth, this is as if Israel demonstrated a love larger than fighting, and gave Palestine what it wanted and let Palestine find out what that was as well. This incredible generosity IS REAL. Done. So what is to be made of collective wealth to be used to prop up the "1%"? FUCK THAT... yeah perhaps... if you are going to go the market place, the 'economy' and you are funded by the government to survive, you should respect the deal and practice democracy in your business. Which means change your operating structure from a boss/ owner lead biz, to a workers one. Where the worker employ the boss, not the other way round. We should see relationships, private and public be able to declare themselves visibly not capitalist. Choice in the marketplace, from organic to industrial is able to be made.
- Iain Whitaker Wells Tao still a lot of work to do and ironically it is the poorest among us who cry over "agenda 21" as if it is created to destroy them
- Wells Tao Iain Whitaker again, I'd half to ask you to present your perspective of Agenda 21 and sources, as this as I've briefly skimmed through. it does have an enormously contrasting set of perspectives.
- Iain Whitaker Wells Tao basically what Jacinda laid out in her wellbeing budget is my take on it. Which is of course very basic and not all of it but addresses what we are covering. But going back to my original comment when people holler and scream murder over "socialism" they need to have it pointed out that they are all part of, contributors to and benefactors of a socialist system which redistributes wealth. This government is trying to strengthen the system to be more fair. I want to add that those who scream about socialism are usualyy the very ones who use everybody elses money including public funds as "incentives" to make money for themselves which obviously includes those 1% you mention where a system has been built to socialise debt privatise profit and give tax relief under the pretense of "trickle down"
- Wells Tao Iain Whitaker yay, we are on the same page
- Iain Whitaker Wells Tao ha ha wasnt really a discussion i wanted to go into depth over but.my bad bringing up A21 :-)
- Wells Tao Iain Whitaker no I appreciate the attempt. It needs critical engagement
- Wells Tao omph
- Stephen Gallagher And, in some cases , ask them to spell it...
- Wells Tao could be distracting and a Ad hominem, though
- Rachel Claire They can't. They don't know what it is. I had a discussion with someone recently who wasn't able to give a reason why they voted National
- Glenn LaVertu It’ll go something like this:
- Glenn LaVertu It’s really not worth the argument. Every time I have I’ve walked away hating human beings a little bit more.
- Wells Tao fear is compassion in seed form
- Greg Giles Farmers get welfare in adverse weather conditions, so they can just shut up,
- Cheyne Berry Comrades following a perceived authority, following a perceived authority with person agenda.
- Wells Tao who?
- Cheyne Berry Dr?
- Roger Boyce Ask them to give up their national healthcare.
- Michael Armstrong Or give up their racist leaders? Voting for slyly racist candidates is wrong.
- Daniel Powell I'd like to see an automatic tax of 50 p.c on everything somehow, and let the wheels of free trade turn. Tighten up the red, let the blue sky in.
- Daniel Powell Dont know how it would work. Just a wish. Like a Santa thing.
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