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https://www.labour.org.nz/health

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https://www.asms.org.nz/.../17/yours-sincerely-disgruntled/

Lorina Stacey Schwenke It is always best to talk to nurses and doctors who actually work in these institutions

Have a chat with folk from The Association of Medical Specialist or look at their publications

ASMS.ORG.NZ

Yours sincerely, disgruntled - ASMS

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Zuben Weeds if you look at the plan she’s putting more into much needed infrastructure upgrades...bring more efficiency .... treatments and mental health.... she is by far the best PM Aotearoa has ever had ...

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Zuben Weeds yes I have many .... some right at the top .. most hospitals have staff shortages .... it’s been like that for a while not just while she’s been PM And that’s not the only sector ...

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Unless Ardern abolishes [for example] The Public Finance Act 1989 - you know that Ardern is fibbing when she claims "I am pouring money in"

Why?

This Act of Parliament actually prevents her from Net Spending on public services- because it is against the law!

Ardern can only be genuine IF she gets rid of two laws [minimum]

[1] Public Finance Act 1989 [enacted by a Labour government]

[2] The Reserve Bank Act 1989 [enacted by a Labour government]

Ardern and Labour have never, ever mentioned getting rid of these nasty laws - because if they did - Ardern would have to admit that Labour was wrong in 1984 [political hazard]

Using the power of the legislature to restrict politicians was justified in NZ so we would never get another Rob Muldoon - it also restricts Representative Democracy.

I think we can move past this - don't you think?

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Zuben Weeds hmmm these have been amended and are guides ... you sound like you are a Nat supporter ... I don’t know but last I checked the labour caucus is more representative of Aotearoa and has More Maori than any other government before it ... she isn’t being disingenuous.... Why would an old labour policy bother her ... she leads from the front not the back ... also Graeme hart is the wealthiest kiwi with a net worth of $11 Bill... then it’s only down from there ...

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Zuben Weeds sad that you can’t see what she is doing for Maori/pacific and more vulnerable kiwis ... so many good initiatives... hopefully she can reverse national horrible policy of allowing foreign entities to have ownership of national news ... to which they do Nz herald Murdoch and newshub discovery Inc ...

... anti Jacinda misogyny anti feminism...

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https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/new-zealand-debt-zuben-weeds/

Lorina Stacey Schwenke The Fiscal Responsibility Act 1994 [enacted by National] just go "put into" The Public Finance Act 1989 in an "update"

All the "fiscal responsibility" rules [law] is now in The Public Finance Act 1989

The same law still applies = NO CHANGE

Here is what "fiscal responsibility" means according to Public Finance Act.

"The Government must pursue its policy objectives in accordance with the following principles of responsible fiscal management:

reducing total debt to prudent levels, so as to provide a buffer against factors that may impact adversely on the level of total debt in the future by ensuring that, until prudent levels of debt have been achieved, total operating expenses in each financial year are less than total operating revenues in the same financial year; and

once prudent levels of total debt have been achieved, maintaining those levels by ensuring that, on average, over a reasonable period of time, total operating expenses do not exceed total operating revenues; and

achieving and maintaining levels of total net worth that provide a buffer against factors that may impact adversely on total net worth in the future;

managing prudently the fiscal risks facing the Government; and

when formulating revenue strategy, having regard to efficiency and fairness, including the predictability and stability of tax rates; and

when formulating fiscal strategy, having regard to the interaction between fiscal policy and monetary policy; and

when formulating fiscal strategy, having regards to its likely impact on present and future generations; and

ensuring that the Crown's resources are managed effectively and efficiently."

A lot of this is "junk" and is only intended to stop politicians spending money to buy votes

Much can be revealed in this essay

LINKEDIN.COM

The Science of New Zealand Debt

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Zuben Weeds will read later thanks! What is your ideal government... what is missing now?

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https://www.rnz.co.nz/.../covid-19-ngati-hine-health...

Lorina Stacey Schwenke As far as Maori initiatives etc - I am [part] Maori so I should know

Maori still get hammered by Ardern - and they will get some more beating come "Freedom Day"

Ardern could have given Ngati Hine Healthcare heaps of resources- but she refused - exactly the same happened with Ngati Porou et al

Disclaimer: I do not support ACT, National, The Greens, TOP, NZ First, or Labour or The Maori Party

You focus on absolute numbers [millions & billions] - but you ignore the fact that our population is growing and has complex needs - this is why you have to look at spending as either [1] per capita or [2] as a % of GDP

A million bucks is heaps - in 1950 - but it is stuff all in 2022

I also appreciate that there is very little choice in political leaders or political parties - but partisan politics is an absurd proposition with the neoliberal paradigm [i.e. pointless]

RNZ.CO.NZ

Covid-19: Ngati Hine Health Trust leader on Waitangi Tribunal hearing on government response

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Lorina Stacey Schwenke I would never trust a publication from a NZ political party - have to have independent analysis

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Zuben Weeds hmm

.... interesting.... my family are Maori and speak otherwise of her .... I don’t see partisan Politics with Jacinda ... she would reach across the isle if they could come up with better questions than “why did you eradicate wallabies” oh and wanting to open the boarders more than they change their undies just like they change their leaders .... the system is such that capitalism provides money for social services....the housing minister purchased land in Tauranga for iwi ... to which act and nats disapprove much like the Maori wardens ... Jacinda has put Te Reo at the forefront and is forming a government partnership... she is a pakeha woman that is doing her best to listen to the Tangata Whenua and work within the constraints of a colonial system .... teaching the correct history is something she has implemented to try and break the chains of the archaic colonial system...

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Zuben Weeds fair enough ... but I wouldn’t trust data for our country from another database either ... that is foreign ...

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https://freemasonsnz.org/freemasons-university...

Lorina Stacey Schwenke That was a good question by Luxon

Identity Politics is great for neoliberals - so of course Ardern will start focusing on what you look like or what sex you want to be

Jacinda Ardern is from a Mormon faith and was sponsored by The Freemasons

And she has also deliberated inflated financial assets using Quantitative Easing

Jacinda Ardern is made from the same moral politic as Luxon - her rhetoric is different but the outcomes are the same - inflated property and financial assets

Some Maori will get the nod but many will not - go to Northland or Tolaga Bay - and talk to Maori who are setting up check points

Are you still trying to claim that asset values are part of GDP accounting?

FREEMASONSNZ.ORG

Freemasons University Scholarships 2017 Jacinda Ardern MP

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https://www.rnz.co.nz/.../maori-weekly-repayments-higher...

Lorina Stacey Schwenke Maori get hammered again and again when Ardern is PM

RNZ.CO.NZ

Māori weekly repayments higher to pay off MSD debt - data

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Zuben Weeds she’s not a Mormon ex ... she left... there is no evidence to suggest that she was supported by Masons either ... it’s all whispers ...

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Zuben Weeds https://www.newshub.co.nz/.../livestream-jacinda-arden...

NEWSHUB.CO.NZ

Jacinda Arden speaks in Northland after $23 million boost to Māori COVID-19 vaccination campaigns

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Zuben Weeds not so look at her caucus my goodness ... in this case this has nothing to do with her ... this falls under the umbrella of the MSD minister ... obviously it’s extremely unfair and systemic...their first contact would be case managers ... and no Maori don’t get hammered under Arden my goodness .... who is her deputy? Who is the GG...

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Lorina Stacey Schwenke Read my post again - she is from [past tense]

Luxon is also from faith - just like Ardern - Luxon gets hammered for his moral politics - Ardern gets off without any mention that she has the same moral politic - that is actually developed by when you reach 6-7

Once again - you provide a number - some dollars - but does this get the job done?

This is the difference between "budgeting for budget outcomes" instead of budgeting [and spending] for functional outcomes

There is a big difference

And why do Maori have to go to court to get what they desparately need?

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Zuben Weeds you have lots of info that isn’t correct and is misinformation.... also you don’t highlight anything good that she has done ... which is extremely biased much like the international press .... nothing is perfect... don’t forget there has been a pandemic for 2 years .:: no one in the world was spared .... except kiwis ... lowest deaths/ lowest cases/ lowest hospital admissions in the OECD... I wonder how many have gratitude as they sit comfortably in their homes ..... Anyways ../ love and light ... there is more good in this world than bad ... good vibes ...

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Lorina Stacey Schwenke Ardern is the leader of the Labour party - she is the leader of her caucus

Are you saying that PM Ardern should shift all the blame to Sepuloni because "she is brown"?

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Hey good debate guys, Keeping it respectful. I'm listening to both sides and I think you both have a good point. Pity we'r arguing really

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Wells Tao I think it’s absolutely sad that it’s come to place in Aotearoa where people can’t acknowledge the good that Ardern has done ... and say thanks what ever happened to manners .:: and I do believe the media that is owned by foreign corps has a lot to do with it ... it’s always so anti JA... she is currently ranked worlds best leader ... the more females like ardern in leadership globally the better off the world will be ...

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Lorina Stacey Schwenke You spread misinformation

I can read a balance sheet - you cannot

I understand Quantitative Easing - you do not

I have read all the Acts of Parliament - you have not

You incorrectly claim that asset values are accounted for in GDP - this is just wrong

You point to mainstream media articles about how Maori will get the money - but Maori have been in court fighting for it - and it will be too late - we will see this playing out

You think identity politics is good - I say it is bad

You claim that asking questions in parliament is bad - I say it is good

My information has been through "peer review" - yours has not

You like to present information for political parties - I like RNZ National

You try to argue that property assets have not been have inflated by Quantitative Easing [oldest trick in the book]- you seem to ignore this and do not seem to think this is "harmful" to folk without property - and you want to blame everything on Covid

99% of our lives do not involve covid

Many of us are alive - but people are dying from cancer because of chronic underfunding since 1984 -Ardern has not addressed this because she cannot - due to acts of law

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Zuben Weeds Wells Tao..

.... hmmm you know me ... love and light ..:.

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Lorina Stacey Schwenke I think if you are around a lot of that kind of message I would try and get some perspective, I agree that it could be a lot lot worse. However, generally I'm into hearing perspectives, not all but ones that for whatever reason, get me interested in thinking about stuff, that generally I find offensive, boring, and often hard. So I think it's about understanding the context of where this conversation is taking place, it's not at a gunstore, or what not... .

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Lorina Stacey Schwenke and heavy clear sharp and on!

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Zuben Weeds I think if you are around a lot of that kind of message I would try and get some perspective, I agree that it could be a lot lot worse. However, generally I'm into hearing perspectives, not all but ones that for whatever reason, get me interested in thinking about stuff, that generally I find offensive, boring, and often hard. So I think it's about understanding the context of where this conversation is taking place, it's not at a gunstore, or what not... .you too

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Dibid Babid

Jabcinta The best we've had. ?What planet are you on. Oh dear we are f@#ked.

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Dibid Babid ok ok, perhaps you could offer your own top two

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Wells Tao My goodness ... another one ....... my head is sore ... haha ... no I like to see what your friends say it’s always very enlightening.....

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I like a clean fight.

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