“... the divide of like,... the conspiracy world loves to go in the direction of, it's a plan, it's a plot, it's all this shadowy cabal around a table, planning the destruction of the world. Maybe there's a little bit of that, in some some regards, especially intelligence agencies and governments, and billionaires. But a lot of it is just that the incentives all align this way and so regular good people, just become a part of a system, that does these things.” Ian Carroll. June 20205